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gato -

Ok. Here is a list culled from Baidu. Why don't you try to discuss on the basis of these practices.


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http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/6345217.html?fr=qrl3
- No cutting of nails
- No pulling of eyebrows
- No use of cold water to wash
- No use of bath lotions
- No use of toothpaste
- No eating of fruits or cold food
- No watching of TV
- No use of computers
- Eating only of freshly cooked food

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/34655584.html?si=4
- No combing or washing of hair
- No bathing





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roddy -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying-in is the direct link, get round the block as you will.










muyongshi -

Side note on the proxified link...if I clicked on the link in my notification email it went
through but if I clicked on the one in the forums I got a 404 url not found message....

Thanks gato for the list...










studentyoung -



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Never heard of it and in fact one of my best friends just had her second baby (and by the way she
is a foreigner living in China so she has the same conditions as other Chinese people) and her
"recovery period" was about a week long. During that week she still did many routine things just
required more sleep. For the other 3 weeks of the first month she still required more sleep but
was back to her normal life.

How long has she been living in China? I wonder if she grew up here and has similar diet like the
local people. Does she suffer from anemia (贫血) like a lot of Chinese women do, especially
iron-deficiency anemia (缺铁性贫血) during their pregnancy?


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资料表明我国约1/3的未孕未哺乳妇女贫血,而哺乳及孕妇近一半贫血。我国育
龄妇女的贫血情况是比较突出的,哺乳母亲及孕妇的贫血情况较未孕未哺乳妇
女更为严重。孕妇贫血患病率与孕周关系密切。城市孕妇13周前贫血患病率��
�16.4%,孕28-37周为高峰,贫血患病率41.4%,但孕37周下降为32%。资料提示,孕妇妊娠
13周后,尤28周后要增加铁剂的补充,矫治孕妇贫血。

http://cache.baidu.com/c?word=%CE%D2...idu#baidusnap1



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That is only one aspect of this entire thing. and 中国有中国的特点 is not a sufficient
answer to justify away all the non-scientific practices.

I feel sorry for you don’t understand what is called 中国有中国的特点.



Quote:

Never heard of it and in fact one of my best friends just had her second baby (and by the way she
is a foreigner living in China so she has the same conditions as other Chinese people) and her
"recovery period" was about a week long. During that week she still did many routine things just
required more sleep. For the other 3 weeks of the first month she still required more sleep but
was back to her normal life.

I also wonder if your example above is a scientific way to prove there is no difference between
western women and Chinese women, so Chinese women don't need to 坐月子.

Thanks!










muyongshi -



Quote:

How long has she been living in China? I wonder if she grew up here and has similar diet like the
local people. Does she suffer from anemia (贫血) like a lot of Chinese women do, especially
iron-deficiency anemia (缺铁性贫血) during their pregnancy?

She did not grow up here but does have a similar diet to the locals not to mention that somewhere
in the range of 60% of women worldwide suffer from iron deficiency when not pregnant. That number
shoots up to I believe around 90% when pregnant. It's hard to be pregnant (not that I can speak
from experience) and it takes it's toll on women not just in China


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I feel sorry for you don’t understand what is called 中国有中国的特点.

How is it that I am not understanding it? If we were discussing a cultural issue this would be a
relevant answer but as it is being said there is reasons behind these practices, scientific
reasons, it then is not a sufficient answer.

Nobody once again is denying that differences exist, the question is whether or not those
differences are to the degree of 坐月子 and honestly everyone in the list that Gato has posted
for us I do not think have a solid scientific base.

I can understand not using cold water to bathe as that is just uncomfortable and heated water will
have less germs and other stuff in it due to the heating process but the rest do not follow
logical reasoning.










gougou -



Quote:

but the rest do not follow logical reasoning.

Neither does acupuncture, according to Western scientists; still, it works (also according to
Western scientists).










studentyoung -



Quote:

Nobody once again is denying that differences exist, the question is whether or not those
differences are to the degree of 坐月子 and honestly everyone in the list that Gato has posted
for us I do not think have a solid scientific base.



Quote:

- No cutting of nails
- No pulling of eyebrows
- No use of cold water to wash
- No use of bath lotions
- No use of toothpaste
- No eating of fruits or cold food
- No watching of TV
- No use of computers
- Eating only of freshly cooked food

OK, just check them out one by one.
“No cutting of nails” and “No pulling eyebrows” are two things I first heard of. My
friends during 坐月子still cut their nails by themselves, though I don't know whether they
pulled their eyebrows. But I think pulling eyebrows are not so suitable to practice even in normal
days, less say just after having a baby, because the skin around the eyes is very thin and easily
to get infected.

"No use of cold water to wash." Well, isn’t it easy to understand that the immune system of a
woman after having a baby can’t work well as normal days? What’s more, I haven’t hear any
gynecologist advises their patients to use cold water when they are in their period, less say
after having a baby.

"No use of bath lotions". Those common bath lotions are usually alkaline, which is really not
suitable for a woman just having a baby to clean her body, because it might even destroy the
acidic environment in vagina, which can create some natural protection for vagina, and make the
wound in vagina take even longer time to heal.

"No use of toothpaste." I haven’t heard of it before. I just know that “no use of cold water
to brush teeth”.

"No eating of fruits or cold food"


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忌食

寒凉蔬果，如西瓜、木瓜、葡萄柚、柚子、梨子、杨桃、橘子、蕃茄、香瓜�
��哈密瓜等。

宜食

荔枝、龙眼、苹果、草莓、樱桃、葡萄。

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/6345217.html?fr=qrl3
So it is not “no eating of fruits”, but pick up the right fruits to eat. As for cold food, I
haven’t heard of any gynecologist say a woman after having a baby is suitable to have cold food.
First, cold food is not very easy to digest. Second it might cause a indigestion even in a normal
healthy man, less say a woman after having a baby.

"No watching of TV" and "No use of computers". It is the problem of radiation. The original
description is a bit odd. If I say “no watching of TV and no use of computers as long as
usual”, it might be easier to understand.

"Eating only of freshly cooked food." Why? Isn’t it just the right food (i.e. good for health)
for a woman after having a baby? Can anyone tell me why it is considered as non-scientific?

"No combing or washing of hair." and "No bathing" These are the measure to protect them from
getting a cold. My friend still combed her hair daily and washed her hair with hot water when
air-conditioner worked well and no wind would blow in the bath directly on her body. As for those
who can’t take a bath at that time, they can still use hot towel to clean their body.

OK, what else?

Thanks!










Lu -



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But I think pulling eyebrows are not so suitable to practice even in normal days, less say just
after having a baby, because the skin around the eyes is very thin and easily to get infected.

I can reassure you on that one. I've been plucking my eyebrows for years and years and never had
an infection there. (Knock on wood.) In fact, I don't recall ever hearing a friend complain about
such a thing, or even ever seeing a women with an infection by her eyebrow caused by plucking it.










shanghaikai -

中国有中国的特点 is the equivalent of saying "I'm special because I'm special." It is not
an answer, it is a way to avoid admitting that you have no answer; it is an excuse.










Lu -



Quote:

"No use of bath lotions". Those common bath lotions are usually alkaline, which is really not
suitable for a woman just having a baby to clean her body, because it might even destroy the
acidic environment in vagina (...).

This explanation doesn't really make sense. Using bath lotions or soap doesn't necessarily mean
that the woman in question is washing her vagina with it, she can wash the rest of her body. As
far as I know, it is never a good idea to wash one's vagina with soap, nevermind if one just had a
baby or not.



Quote:

"No combing or washing of hair." and "No bathing" These are the measure to protect them from
getting a cold.

How does combing one's hair lead to a cold?



Quote:

"No watching of TV" and "No use of computers". It is the problem of radiation.

Non-scientific, afaik all this radiation stuff has never been proven. And if it is a matter of
radiation, is the woman allowed to use a cell phone? Or did they just not update the list that far?












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