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skylee -

studentyoung, 我看到你的 PS
了。你沒有冒犯我，我們各抒己見而已。我是不同意 (老實說也不能理解)
你的觀點，但是我們都懂得“和而不同”這句話。

可能由於背景不同，我們的價值觀也不同。但是不打緊。



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studentyoung -



Quote:

studentyoung, 我看到你的 PS
了。你沒有冒犯我，我們各抒己見而已。我是不同意 (老實說也不能理解)
你的觀點，

没关系！



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但是我們都懂得“和而不同”這句話。

啊，要是人人都像你这么知书达理，这世界就没那么多动手动脚，动刀动枪�
��杀风景的事儿。



Quote:

可能由於背景不同，我們的價值觀也不同。但是不打緊。

完全同意！

谢！










Quest -

一夜暴富没什么，反正不是你想富就富得来，又不是随便一个人都可以赢。�
��气、命运决定一切。再加上社会应该是多元化的，行行出状元国家才兴旺��
�人生在世，难道就仅仅为了成为一个普通劳动人民吗？










Ian_Lee -

If everyone is satisfied to be just a common worker, then there is no dream and no social mobility.

If Bill Gates were just satisfied to continue his study in Harvards, then there might be no
Microsoft.

If Li Ka Shing were just satisfied to own a small plastic flower factory, then there would be no
CK/Hutchison conglomerate.

If Andy Lau were just satisfied to be an office messenger, then there would be no Andy Lau as of
today.

IMO Everybody should have a dream -- nobody should just be satisfied to be a common worker.










studentyoung -



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人生在世，难道就仅仅为了成为一个普通劳动人民吗？

普通劳动人民说的是人家的工作岗位普通，不像“超女”那般“轰轰列列”�
��了。齐白石当年还干木工的时候，也没啥人认为他的工作岗位有啥特别的��
�但他在干木工的时候，他的手艺已得乡亲认可，精于案、梁、柱的雕花。胜
得过齐白石的手艺的木工，你找得出几个？木工不是普通劳动人民？大官不�
��？

台湾还有人能在垃圾里寻宝的，不少收藏家还托他帮忙寻找他们想要的收藏�
��的呢。拣垃圾这活够普通了吧？但就有人能干得出色，干得与众不同!

普通的岗位，平凡的人，就不能干出不平凡的成就？

要不，你再看看纪晓岚的这副对联：虽然毫末技艺，却是顶上工夫。意思够�
��的了，我不用再解释了吧？（难道只看到人家的“毫末技艺”，就把人家��
�“顶上工夫”给忘了？ ）

对了，你自己还说->


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再加上社会应该是多元化的，行行出状元国家才兴旺。

既然你都这么说了，我也就没啥可说的了。

谢！










studentyoung -



Quote:

If everyone is satisfied to be just a common worker, then there is no dream and no social mobility.

Rightly so!



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IMO Everybody should have a dream -- nobody should just be satisfied to be a common worker.

I think a coin has two sides. No doubt, Bill Gates, Li Ka Shing and Andy Lau have made great
achievements, and it is just one side on a coin.
The other side? Please just think of what Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini did in their life!
These two surely weren’t satisfied to be a common worker in their life and they had a
“dream” (a nightmare if I can say) too. I remember the famous official in Tang Dynasty,
Weizheng 巍征once said “Water can bear a boat, while it can also turn it
over.水能载舟，亦能覆舟” Now we can say, “A dream can make our world better, or it
can make it worse.”
I think the point here is how to guide people to think more calmly in an uproarious social
environment.

Thanks!










gato -



Quote:

Please just think of what Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini did in their life! These two surely
weren’t satisfied to be a common worker in their life and they had a “dream”

I think you're letting your imagination run too wild on this topic, studentyoung. A more apt
parallel might be the millions of inner city kids in America who neglect their school work for the
dream of one day becoming the next Michael Jordan.










studentyoung -



Quote:

I think you're letting your imagination run too wild on this topic, studentyoung.

Please check my word below again.


Quote:

I think the point here is how to guide people to think more calmly in an uproarious social
environment.



Quote:

A more apt parallel might be the millions of inner city kids in America who neglect their school
work for the dream of one day becoming the next Michael Jordan.

Ala, it sounds quite like students neglected their school work to join the revolutionary movements
and got crazy about being “the Red Guards红卫兵”. A man needs all kinds of nutrition to
make all his organs work well. A society needs all kinds of talents to make it develop steadily
and in the round. One kind of nutrition can't support a man and one kind of talents can't sustain
a society.
I remember some one says, “A hero is a big man, and a celebrity is a big name.” The problem in
this world is too many children or even adults take someone with a big name as a big man.

Thanks!










Ian_Lee -

Studentyoung:

Though I didn't mention it, I have implied that all those who have the dreams and made it like
Bill Gates, Li Ka Shing and Andy Lau all strived their ways within the legal and moral cofines of
the society.

But the examples that you cited like Hilter and Mussolinni apparently did not.

And I don't see the Super Girls have trespassed the legal and moral confines either (of course
some may find their performances morally decaying -- but they didn't break the moral codes).

From what I see, a society must not be static. And a certain segment of the population must be
willing to take risk. Only through social mobility can a society achieve progress.










HashiriKata -

If I understand it correctly, I think what studentyoung was saying was that it is not dreams
themselves but it is the kinds of dreams we are fed with that is the problems. In this
interpretation, I'm with studentyoung.

To me, there seems no lack of people who are in the business of exploiting those who dream wrongly
and on the other hand, we're no longer able to tell anybody - or even ourselves - how to dream
well.












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