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doug86 -

hey everyone, i just started learning to speak mandarian and my only resource so far is this
website and a series called "Learn Chinese in your Car" which is 9 cds of lessons. Does anyone
know any more good books or texts for me to be studying in order to advance my skills as quickly
as possible?



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thph2006 -

These aren't books but are pretty good sources of free materials.

The FSI Language Chinese Course is about 30 years old but is very complete, 100% free and I think
very good. It has literally hundreds of recordings and a lot of written material. There is no
support at all for learning characters but there are hundreds of pages of scanned text with pinyin
and English translations of the recordings. A very small percentage of the words and phrases they
use is from the old Mao days of the 1970s but don't let that bother you. It's very minimal. The
pronunciation lessons are excellent and the rest of the course is organized into very useful
sections. Here's the link:
http://fsi-language-courses.com/Chinese.aspx

The ChinesePod website is one some people like a lot. I'm not a fan of ChinesePod as a stand-alone
course but I think the podcasts are very good as a supplement. They're both entertaining and free.
http://chinesepod.com/

I'm sure you'll get lots of other good suggestions as well.

Good luck on your new journey!










doug86 -

thank you, those sites seem very helpful, ill be sure to use them in combination as much as i can.
What is the ideal amount of time i should be devoting to practice in a day? As well, besides just
listening and repeating the lessons i hear is it helpful to also write them as im doing it? im
trying to figure out the best ways to assimilate the language into my memory.










thph2006 -

I don't think I'm the best person to advise you but personally I spend a couple hours a day and as
far as study strategy goes if I had it all to do over again I'd probably find one complete course
and stick to it all the way through. I made the mistake of trying bits and pieces of practically
every course, podcast and website I could find and for a long time I learned nothing. I only
started really learning when I picked one comprehensive course and went through it carefully and
thoroughly step by step.

For me the FSI course was most helpful in that respect. Another comprehensive course you might
want to consider is the Integrated Chinese course by Cheng and Tsui.
http://www.cheng-tsui.com/store/prod...grated_chinese . It's used by quite a few American
universities, has a lot of audio material, goes through the learning process very methodically and
includes text books, workbooks and character writing workbooks. There's also a great deal of
supplemental material on the web for the course. The only downside of the course in my opinion is
it's not free.

Cheers!










shibole -

What skills are you interested in developing? It sounds like you're only interested in speaking
and listening comprehension if your primary learning method is in CD form.

The ChinesePod podcasts are really good. I think you can always get their podcasts for free and
you only pay if you want access to their other tools, but honestly I think the podcast audio is
90% of the value they have to offer. But from what I can tell so far, yea they are probably not
that great as a sole source of learning materials, but you can search their podcasts and download
audio on subjects that you're interested in but aren't covered in your lessons.

For reading and writing I find that Anki is the best study tool that I've ever used.

http://repose.cx/anki/

Even if you're not planning to learn to read and write Chinese just yet, I'd still use Anki. Just
create "facts" with sentences typed up in pinyin or attach audio files if you want to be fancy.
Anki solves the problem of when to review "old" material by use of a SRS algorithm. I'm finding it
to be extremely useful and vastly superior to normal flashcards.

Another great tool for learning to speak: http://www.speakgoodchinese.org/
It actually does voice recognition to help you learn to pronounce tones properly.

(I also basically just started... have only been seriously studying Mandarin for about a month now
and am using the Cheng and Tsui Integrated Chinese books but I'm not enrolled in a course.)










sthubbar -

Pimsleur. That's all you need to know. It is by far the best program for a beginner to learn to
speak Chinese. It is what I used and I still feel like 70% of my vocabulary came from that
program. The only drawbacks I have heard about them are 1) expensive and 2) small list of words.
1) You get what you pay for. 2) Would you rather know a small list of words that you can readily
use and understand or have a large list of words that you might not be able to use?

www.lingoshop.com has them inexpensive and will buy them back when you are done.










renzhe -

First of all, I'll mention something that nobody has mentioned, and something I find to be the
single most important tip on learning Chinese:

You will need dedication. It's not an easy language to learn, and it takes perseverance. But the
payoff is huge.

You will need to be absolutely determined to study for several hours a day, every day, for a few
years, without giving up. If you do this, and follow a good program and a sound learning plan, you
will succeed. If you don't have this discipline, you will most likely fail after dabbling around
for a year or two and learning very little. This is not meant to discourage you, but to give you
motivation to get serious about learning, because learning Chinese is a wonderful thing if you put
in the effort.

I would personally recommend spending 1-3 hours a day, and more on weekends. You should attack it
from several fronts:

- Vocabulary / Reading / Writing -- The second most difficult part of Chinese
- Listening comprehension -- The most difficult part of Chinese
- Grammar
- Speaking

For characters and vocabulary, you should use a flashcard program with spaced repetition, it
really helps to memorise characters. You can try mnemosyne, Anki, jmemorize, KVocTrain, Supermemo,
or any other popular flashcard program, many are for free. For many of them, you can also download
complete Chinese databases with common characters and words. You should go through them daily.

For Listening, many people find it useful to download TV shows and soap operas and watch them
daily. They often have subtitles, which helps your reading and listening. But it will take a while
before you can understand any of that, so you can try with lessons from chinesepod.com, which are
excellent. Get used to listening to some Chinese everyday, because your ear has to get used to the
speed and tones of Chinese. I don't recommend Pimsleur, as I found it excruciatingly boring and
contrived, but you could give it a try.

For grammar, you should follow a good textbook. This will also provide plenty of vocabulary and
listening exercises, but they are NOT ENOUGH, which is why you should supplement with the stuff
above. Learning a language like Spanish following a textbook for two-three years can get you to a
high intermediate level of just studying twice a week. Doing the same with Chinese will get you
somewhere below advanced beginner stage. You need to supplement. Good coursebooks are either
"Integrated Chinese", which is recommended by many, or "New Practical Chinese Reader", which is my
recommendation, and which is one of the best language books out there, possibly the best one for
Chinese. Either one should be fine. Go through lessons, learn the new grammar, do the exercises. I
try to finish one lesson per week, if you're dedicated, it's possible. You may want to take a bit
more time in the beginning, though.

for speaking, you'll need a buddy to talk to from time to time. A girlfriend is the best, IMHO,
because she can keep up with your progress and stick to the vocabulary/grammar you know, and thus
help you talk freely and understand without overwhelming you. A dedicated tandem partner should
also work.


sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but once it becomes a habit, you can't get enough of it. I
take my laptop to business trips so I can continue doing the flashcards in the hotel. The key to
learning Chinese is practice, repetition, and not getting discouraged. If you have the
determination to go through with it, you'll love it. If you don't, you may consider another
language.










doug86 -

Ok so ill be using Anki and practical chinese reader (as soon as i can get them ordered). For
listening i think ill be using many of my kung fu movies and i will just set the audio up to
mandarin with english subtitles. Thanx again everyone for your help and input, i look forward to
talking with you in chinese soon

edit: if i could find a chinese girlfriend i most definately would, its not that easy here in
canada










renzhe -

Make sure to get the "NEW Practical Chinese Reader", not the old version.










Charmelenge -

The best way to learn speaking and listening is

a) watch videos on youtube every day and night.

I did this for around 2 months and went from not really speaking it to I'd say fluent.

Writing... bit more of a struggle. You really need to make the effort. I basically read stories
and newspapers on the net and everytime I didn't get a word, I'd copy and paste the word into a
translator. I'm alright at reading now but did take a bit longer. Can easily do newspapers and
stuff. Tookm maybe 4 months or so.












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Learning Mandarin - Short Story by 郁达夫 (Yu Dafu) - 春风沉醉的晚上 (Spring Night) -

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gato -

Breaking out from an earlier thread:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=18542

Some of us are reading and will be discussing 春风沉醉的晚上 (Spring Night).
http://www.oklink.net/99/1222/yudafu/003.htm

You can read an article about the author here:
http://www.cctv.com/lm/176/71/88858.html
Yu Dafu

As I mentioned in the earlier thread, the style and the psychological details are a bit
reminiscent of F. Scott Fitzgerald and other writers of the early 20th century. One can guess from
Yu's use of English phrases in places, that he probably was very much influenced by English
language literature of that era, though his writing is also very Chinese. The grammar and
vocabulary, particularly, are not completely vernacular Chinese (白话). One might say that it
has 10-20% classical Chinese elements. Some of Lu Xun's stories are similar in this respect.



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muyongshi -

Very interesting story indeed! I like his writing style. I still need to go through it a second
time, but I found his style of writing very colorful and perfectly descriptive and to me influence
from other languages was not obvious. I'll be looking into some more of his works...










文言訓開班 -

gato, thanks for starting the new thread!

I'm just checking in. I'm three paragraphs into the first chapter. I'm hope my slow reading speed
is not too annoying for the other readers here This Chinese is challenging to me, but should be
manageable.

I like the voice the writer's using so far. The language is indeed descriptive and colorful. Some
of the words trip me up, though. Out of curiosity, he had to 拖几本破书 in the first
paragraph--are 破书 books he'd already read?

同志们加油!










gato -



Quote:

Out of curiosity, he had to 拖几本破书 in the first paragraph--are 破书 books he'd already
read?

破书 literally means "dilapidated books," but I think here he's using it self-deprecatingly or
self-pityingly to refer to his few possessions. I'm glad you guys are enjoying it so far. I was
very impressed by the story myself.

Muyongshi, I see a European/American influence because of psychological details. I believe that
Chinese authors of earlier generations tend to be less focused on psychology. Many fiction writers
in the 1912-1949 period studied abroad and often were fluent in several foreign languages (e.g.
Japanese, English, French, German). Lu Xun was at least fluent in Japanese and I bet borrowed many
Japanese writing techniques into his writing. We have remember that vernacular Chinese writing
(白话) was still a brand new animal at this time. Everybody was experimenting and naturally
borrowing from foreign vernacular literature that they knew. Classical Chinese writing typically
is very pithy and informs by allusions. They are like those paintings that create images with
absence of brush strokes rather than the presence. You can't just directly translate from
classical Chinese to vernacular Chinese.










muyongshi -



Quote:

破书 literally means "dilapidated books," but I think here he's using it self-deprecatingly or
self-pityingly to refer to his few possessions.

I agree with you because within the first few paragraphs he goes to great lengths to describe his
books as pretty much being his only possession. I also think that it refers to the fact that books
are his "life" so to say. He doesn't really have any other possessions but he can't part with his
books.










roddy -

Is there a schedule for reading this over a certain period of time or are we just doing it all at
once?










muyongshi -

I read it in about 20-25 minutes the first time and am going to do a second time and re-lookup
some of the language and that will probably take me about and hour so....










roddy -

I thought it might be an idea to break it into chunks - has four parts anyway - and do them one by
one for the sake of people who will be doing significant amounts of dictionary look up. Not sure
if that's worth doing or not.










文言訓開班 -

I'm a little pressed for time as of right now. Would we be willing to put off finishing this story
until maybe Tuesday?










muyongshi -

Does it matter when who finishes what? We can just talk about it as people feel like talking about
it....it's not like a book club, just like any other thread, anybody can jump in anytime right?












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bijian -

Hi

Does
旧的不去新的也来
mean "if the old doesn't go, the new also won't come"?


Definition and pinyin follow:
jiu4 de bu4 qu4 xin1 de ye3 lai2 shen2me yi4si1
旧 [jiu4] /old (opposite of new)/former/
的 [de] /(possessive particle)/of/
不 [bu4] /(negative prefix)/not/no/
去 [qu4] /to go/to leave/to remove/
新 [xin1] /meso- (chem.)/new/newly/
也 [ye3] /also/too/
来 [lai2] /to come/
什么 [shen2 me] /what?/who?/something/anything/
意思 [yi4 si1] /idea/opinion/meaning/



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studentyoung -



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旧的不去新的也来 什么意思

It should be旧的不去新的不来.
If you don’t dump the old things, you can’t make room for the new ones.

Thanks!










gougou -



Quote:

什么意思

This means: "What is the meaning of..."

And assuming that the 也 in place of the 不 was not a mistake, the sentence should translate as:
"Even if you don't do away with the old, the new will come"










Lu -

舊的不去,新的不來 means 'when the old doesn't go, the new won't come'. Words of comfort:
for example, if your cellphone gets stolen, that sucks, but it also gives you the opportunity to
buy a new model that you like better.
The sentence you quote is a variant, saying that 'even if the old doesn't go, the new comes'.

什么意思 means 'what does that mean'.










Lu -

Man we're fast again. '3 replies, 4 views', and all three replies within 3 minutes! Is this a
record?










gougou -

Let's act like it is until we're proven wrong.

But it still took us 6 minutes till the first answer, so there's plenty of room to improve










fireball9261 -

I thought "旧的不去新的也来" was playing with the original phrase of
"旧的不去新的不来". It should mean:

Even if the old stuff is not gone, the new stuff is still coming in.

I think the person is jokingly describing how he or she keeps the old stuff while buying the new
stuff. He or she just wants to get more things regardlessly. This person sounds like me.












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Klamh S. Negen -

Hello guys,
I just bought a guitar and I wand to customise it a little bit. I found it original to put a
calligraphy as a sticker on it.
As I am born and have been raised in the french caribbean and that I always loved the sea I would
like to write something like "son of the ocean" on my guitar.
As I speak a very little bit of mandarin I tried to translate it and asked a chinese friend of
mine to tell me if this is correct but as always I would really like to be sure about it cause if
I ever go to China with it I don't want to be ridiculous

So the translation she gave me is : 海的儿子 (Hai de er zi).
So is it a correct translation ? Is it a little bit poetic or so ? Cause I'd like it to be^^.
Tell me my friends

PS: once it'll be done, I'll put a pic on the board



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muyongshi -

I have a friend named 海声 which means sound of the ocean but everyone always thinks it is
海生 (born of the ocean). Both of them are great and the second one might work for you










LilyXu -

may be" 大海之子" sounds better!










Quest -

海之子










LilyXu -

yep~~~urs sounds cooler~haha~










Klamh S. Negen -

Ok thank you guys.
I'll post a pic when it will be done.












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magickz -

Hello. I know someone with the name Yakun. Can anybody tell me how to write it correctly in
Chinese characters?

Many thanks in advance.



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亚昆










Lu -

Could be 亞昆, could be something else. There are often many charachters with the same
pronounciation. If you want to be sure, best ask Yakun him/herself.










magickz -

Thank you for the hints

Yes, I think I will ask herself to prevent writing it wrong in my letter...












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sonex -

Hi my friend is trying to figure out these phrases. I know they have something to do with numbers
but i don't know what the second part of the word means

Here are the words

YItounidaye 1
SANtounidaye 2
ERtounidaye 3
SItounidaye 4
WUtounidaye 5
..
..
..
Im just wondering what tounidaye means and what the combination or pattern would be for numbers 13
14 26 27 30

Thanks a lot if you can help



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i don't know what the second part of the word means

It might be tong3 yi1 da4 ye4 統一大業










Han-tiger -

Could you please tell us where are these phrases from? I can’t figure them out! But here I tell
you, “ni da ye” is frequently used by Beijing natives to express anger or impatience. It is an
informal and rude usage. So, your friend has been probably fooled by ohers.










achiese -

I guess tou ni might be a name.
"tounidaye" could be Tou Ni 大爺.










in_lab -



Quote:

But here I tell you, “ni da ye” is frequently used by Beijing natives to express anger or
impatience.

Can you write the characters for that?










Han-tiger -

The characters for ni da ye is "你大爷"。










roddy -

你大爷. There's a Chinese article on it here, but I don't know if it's any good, it's just what
popped up on Google.

Where did you see this phrase?










Han-tiger -

I couldn’t agree more with the article you recommended, roddy. “你大爷” is a phrase that
prevails in the daily oral communication of our Beijing natives.










gato -

Maybe 一头你大爷, 二头你大爷, 三头你大爷, and so on.










Han-tiger -

Yeah! I think so. gato. The OP's friend has been fooled.












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鼎 and 丁

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Ednorog -

My most favourite by far:善
Both because of the appearance and the meaning.

我
is also pretty cool. Among the others, I can now think of
利 张 钱 喜 量










tooironic -

My favourite character has always been

噩

Meaning 'shocking' or 'upsetting' as in 噩梦 'nightmare'.

It's just so... perfect. LOL!










Sam Addington -



Quote:

噩

I like this one too! A perfect companion to 靈 (simplified 灵 )

However, this character was buried in my Microsoft IMS. While trying to find it I also came across
霛 and 零.

齒 is another fun one.










x1215 -

I always feel 之 gets the best shape in penmanship.










mr.stinky -

餐

good things to be found here










fiddefisk -

我

First character I ever learned, and the only character that looks awesome every time I write it.












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