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alanjohn34 -

Hi all. Got this tattoo but it dosnt say good and evil like it is supposed to. what does it mean?
thanks in advance



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roddy -

莲呢 - lian ne. Which I guess translates as "What about the lotus?" or something. Perhaps an
attempt to translate a name (Leanne?) into Chinese.










self-taught-mba -

I read this and I just can't stop laughing. "What about the Lotus?" That is too much.

Poor guy: "good and evil"

To the victim:

Sorry to laugh. Don't worry most people will never know. You can tell the average American
whatever you want.

Please tell your tattoo buddies to go here first:

http://www.mandarintools.com/tattoo.html

Or if you are considering getting a Chinese tattoo see this site also.

It may be too late for you but you can save your buddies. Or you can not say anything and you
recommend them to get one also. Then misery will have company and you can get a laugh too










Luciano -

the 尼 is not the particle 呢 , I checked wenlin and 尼 means Buddhist nun, but it says that
it's used a lot for loan words now.
hope it helps










sjcma -

Maybe it's supposed to be "Lenny".










Paolo -

You could check out this site as well http://www.hanzismatter.com/

... and anyway, after witnessing so many foul deeds by ignorant/superficial tattooers, I think we
should found an association to be named ACCLAMAT (Angry Chinese Character Lovers Against MAd
Tattooers)! Join us!










imron -

I agree with roddy. It looks to me like there is a small, badly drawn 口 radical at the top left
of the character, which would make it 呢 instead of 尼.

Either way though, it still doesn't mean good and evil.












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wushijiao -

I watched a show on 东方卫视 today called 创智赢家. The show is a reality show, roughly
following the Aprentice.

The show has two teams that are required to do some business-related project each week, and then
one team wins, people PK, people get voted off...etc.

The show is pretty good- not cheesy, but not boring. There's also an American on the show named
石磊 who has really good Chinese. Due to the fact that the show is a long series, I think he's
helping to brake the model of Chinese-speaking foreigners on TV that basically are assigned the
role of "look at me, I'm dressed in Tangzhuang and know a lot of idioms" (although I think that
this was a historical stage that couldn't have been avoided, so I wouldn't want to bash some of
the first foreigners to go on TV after "Reform and Opening", in which that type of interaction was
allowed for the first time in 30 years).



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cookie_monster -

Haven't watch tv in awhile but I usually check out the movie channel when I did. They don't always
play good movies, but then sometimes u do get lucky Also, the "travel channel" forgot what it's
called, but they used to have it in English (not anymore though).










Yang Rui -

I divide my time between Shenzhen and Beijing. In Shenzhen I have digital cable and enjoy the
Taiwanese shows 康熙来了 and 超级星期舞. They're both chat shows. The first is a bit
risque at times and the celebrity guests are often embarrassed by the show's presenters 徐熙娣
(Xu Xidi, otherwise known as 小S) and 蔡康永 （Cai Kangyong) who is camper than a row of
tents. Conversation is gossipy and involves such subjects as how much phlegm they cough up in the
morning (yes really) and whether they fancy other celebrities. The second show is presented by a a
singer and a dancer. Every week a celebrity joins them for a mixture of lighthearted chat and
bursts of song and dancing. There are also "hilarious" little sketches involving the two
presenters. These programmes are on Star Chinese (星空卫视）i think. Sometimes there are also
entertaining shows on 华娱卫视（Huayu Weishi）. I also like the show 食字路口，where
Taiwanese uber-presenter Wu Zongxian and his disciples Kangkang and Nono pair up with celebrities
and divide into teams and go around Taiwan tasting different kinds of food and generally having a
laugh. I have to admit it's all pretty mindless stuff, but it's entertaining.

In Bejing i don't have cable and have never found anything worth watching.










venture160 -

I'll have to put another vote in for 康熙来了， really really funny. The HUGE DVD store near
HIT in Harbin had every episode on disc. Although there are some other good Taiwanese shows such
as 大哥大， and 我猜我猜我猜猜猜！They are all chat style shows with goofy
entertaining hosts and movie stars as guests. The last one is interesting in that for the last
half of every show there are guests and you have to guess if they are fake or real. Funny stuff.










babygodzilla -

LOL Yang Rui... nothing worth watching in Beijing... I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that
way!










koreth -

How about TV that's broadcast overseas? My satellite system (DirecTV) gets CCTV-4, TVBS, a channel
called "The China Movie Channel," and Phoenix Television.

CCTV-4 seems to be devoted mostly to news and human interest shows about Taiwan (my Taiwanese
girlfriend likes to watch the news on CCTV-4 when we happen to catch it, odd since she's usually
pretty anti-大陆) and so far I haven't quite figured out the relation, if any, between its
actual schedule and what's listed in the DirecTV program guide.

I live in the San Francisco area so I can also get our local pan-Asian station, KTSF. The
Taiwanese kids' show 水果冰淇淋 on that channel has been pretty useful for practicing my
listening skills, but I think I'm ready for something a tad more challenging.

Given that limited selection of channels, any recommendations of shows a low-intermediate learner
would have some hope of understanding?










kudra -

I'm interested in finding a series like 中国式离婚, in terms of listening practice,
vocabulary (not necessarily a trashy soap opera) that I can watch on my Palm TX during my (train)
commute. I haven't figured out how to play rmvb format on a palm. My viewer is TCPMP. Any
suggestions?

Thanks.










geraldc -

Try using a conversion program like eright super http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

It can convert from practically any format to any format, and can resize and resample.

I use it to convert divx programs to watch on my phone to keep me amused on train journeys...










kudra -

thanks, nice.










geraldc -

Over Xmas, we installed a Slingbox at my Grandma's flat in HK so we now stream HK and Mainland TV
back to the UK.
Can't say I use it much ( dad does most of the watching via the Slingbox) as I'm part of the
bittorrent DL generation...
However I have noticed that early sunday mornings around 8.50am Beijing Time or 12.50am UK time,
there's a magazine program for pensioners called 夕阳红

http://www.cctv.com.cn/program/xyh/2...9/101781.shtml

At the moment it's an old persons cooking competition, and it's great I've actually learnt a lot.
It's a nice change from the slick professionalism of the TV chefs you get in the UK, and l'm
learning about other types of Chinese cooking.












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aimei -

Mandarinstudent, I know that I have it great living here in China. My boyfriend and I have a great
place with an even greater private bathroom (probably even better than a nice living quarters if
you ask me!) Not even a block from our place, there are literally mini shanty towns that the
migrant workers who are currently tearing up the streets around our place day and night live....I
see tons of ppl digging through trash and begging here, and pretty much everybody lives FAR worse
than we do. So yes, I know I'm VERY lucky. When I first came to China three months ago I was
shocked by the way the Chinese lived....I was raised in a very comfortable middle class household
(translation, I was pretty damn spoiled!) and I was totally unprepared to see this kind of
poverty. I hated China at first but I got used to it, and even grew to like it a lot, and even
better I gained an invaluable understanding of just how lucky we really are in the Western world.
That being said, I still feel quite saddened when I am singled out because I am white. Knowing how
lucky I am doesn't help when I can't walk down the street without being greated with a chorus of
"Helloooos！”while a crowd laughs in my face and points. I STILL feel humilated, even though I
know how great I have it in compared to these people, in terms of both standard of living, and in
comparision to the people who engage in this kind of behavior, education. But even this doesn't
change the fact that it hurts, and that they are doing this because I a laowai, and outsider,
different....I want to participate in this culture, and to be sure 95% of the people here are
wonderful. It's just those few that make me feel horrible about myself from time to time....and
yes, I do like my forty kuai Starbucks fraps.....helps little rich spoiled me get through the "bad
China days."

Oh an Imron, thanks for the wayback machine! Forgot how much I LOVE talktalkChina! Btw can anyone
tell me how to quote? I must be retarded because I can't figure it out!



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imron -



Quote:

Btw can anyone tell me how to quote? I must be retarded because I can't figure it out!

When replying to a message, the 7th icon from the right (in between the picture and the # sign)
there's a button that looks like a talk bubble. Click that and two big quote tags will appear
[QUOTE ] [ /QUOTE] Anything you put between these tags will be quoted.










md1101 -

i've been ignoring this thread a bit because there's always a little too much generalising during
china bitching sessions (though not intentionally im sure).

but, aimei, i very much agree with your last comment. i think they sum things up quite nicely
indeed.



Quote:

Personally I'd put the cut-off line at puberty + 2 years. It's a case of being old enough, not
educated enough, to know better. Incidentally, are people below the cut-off line allowed to spit
and litter?

c'mon, roddy, get off your high horse.










Lu -

So, considering wushijiao's comment, would it help if next time a migrant worker shouts HELLOOOO,
the foreigner walks over and has a chat in Mandarin with this worker and his friends? Worker feels
treated like a human being, sees foreigner as less weird, and next time the Hello! might actually
be intended as a greeting.

Aimei, if it's always the same people shouting hellooo at you, maybe you could try this? If not,
there's really not much you can do about it except either ignore it or (shout something back and)
laugh about it, and enjoy yourself the rest of the time.










gougou -



Quote:

would it help if next time a migrant worker shouts HELLOOOO, the foreigner walks over and has a
chat in Mandarin with this worker and his friends?

I've tried that a few times, with little success. Mostly, the helloer was so embarassed by the
helloee's attention that no conversation was possible.

Having said that, I have spoken to many non-helloing members of the scum of society (that is,
everybody who does not drive an Audi) and most people have been delighted to speak to a foreigner,
and sincerely interested. I remember a bus ride of three hours were the young woman next to me
would turn her head every 20 seconds, smile at me and tell me how incredible it was that she was
talking to a foreigner...










imron -



Quote:

the scum of society (that is, everybody who does not drive an Audi)

Haha, are you sure you don't have that round the wrong way?










aimei -

Lu, usually it's just random people doing this to me, at least as far as I can tell. One time this
guy (who I now think was some kind of black cab driver) started literally jumping up and down and
screaming "HELLO!!" at us, trying to get our attention. Well it was just plain rude so I yelled
and waved back "NI HAO!!" which was quite a feet for me since I'm pretty shy.... His friends then
all started laughing hysterically at him and he shut up, go me! And yeah I do ignore it 99.9% if
the time, it's not like I can change 1.3 billion people's behavior anyway. Just sometimes it gets
a little "old", *sigh....*










Lu -



Quote:

I yelled and waved back "NI HAO!!"

This sounds like a very good approach. Go you indeed :-)
Seriously, I understand how you feel, it can get very annoying sometimes, especially if you get it
every day and not just occasionally. But don't let it get to you too much, don't let it spoil your
time in China. Good luck!












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libertango -

i know some younger kids in zhengzhou are constantly saying "哦是这" with the feeling that
something they just witnessed is really cool or crazy. i dont know if this is zhengzhou, or just
some young kid slang...

i really miss zhengzhou 烩面. i can't eat noodles in beijing after living in zhengzhou.



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Learning Chinese - Nothing to be eat ?? -

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skylee -

As I said on the "What are you reading" thread I am reading (re-reading, actually) Jane Austen's
Persuasion. The book I have is a Penguin Classics. And I have a question. Take a look at this
picture ->



I wrote that question mark the first time I read it. My question is whether "nothing to be eat" is
acceptable (or was acceptable at that time) or it is simply an error. I have read some on-line
version (Gutenberg for example) and it is "nothing to eat". I have no problem with "stopt" or
"teaze" but I find this strange.

One more question. How do you address your father's cousin? Is he your uncle or your cousin? In
this book Charles No. 1 and Charles No. 2 are cousins (their mothers are sisters). Walter is
Charles No.1's son. How should Walter call Charles No. 2?



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wai ming -

I'm no expert on the matter, but if it had read "There being nothing to be eaten", it would be
more acceptable, in my opinion. It certainly sounds strange as "There being nothing to be eat",
even for the style of language used at that time.

Unfortunately I've never read Persuasion, so I can't comment on any other versions










Nibble -

I think it's a typo. It should be either "There being nothing to be eaten" or "There being nothing
to eat," and the latter sounds much more natural to me.












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nitropuppy -

I thought I had the chinese visa situation all figured out. Now, I've read some things that negate
my preconceptions. Can anyone answer these few (seemingly) easy questions?
I have heard of the "L" tourist visa. I thought this was good for only thirty days inside China.
Now, I'm reading about multi-entry "L" visa's with extensions on stay in China. Extensions up to
90 days. But, I'm reading vague reasons as to why and where you can get these
Even the chinese consulate web-site is vague on the issue. It mentioned something about requesting
a 60 day extension.I'll be using the New York consulate in the near future.
How difficult is getting a tourist visa which allows a person to stay in China for 90 days?
Does the 90 day "L" visa let you stay in China during those 90 days? Or does a person need to exit
the country every thirty days and come back in on the issued multi-entry visa? (I can see that
getting costly)

Also, what's the deal on the "D" visa? If I'm married to a chinese citizen, do I apply for this
visa so I can live in China for a few years? I'm just trying to figure out a way to spend two
years in China with my wife. I want to live there with her while we work on her U.S. visa. Which
will most likely will take two years to get. How do I accomplish this without racking up huge
bills and frequent flier miles by going in and out of Hong Kong every thirty days?



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liuzhou -

You have to have been married for five years before you are entitled to a D visa. Also, they
remain scarce and few cities can issue them.

You can renew an L in China without leaving. If you are just a tourist they let you renew once
only (usually for another 30 days), but if you are visiting a relative (including wife!) you can
renew twice, giving you 90 days. I have done this in the past.










lucha -

I came in China with a multi entry 6 months tourist visa， but each stay cannot exceed 3 months.
I have to exit the country after 3 months. When I applied for the visa，I saw they also have
1-year tourist visa.
Also，I have a friend who is married to a Chinese guy and she is on a 1-year tourist visa
too，the reason she gave is “staying with her Chinese husband“.










nitropuppy -

So, can I assume that I can get a new "L" visa in Hong Kong, after my first "L" visa 90 days is
expired? Is there a limit to how many "L" visa's a person can do in a year? It looks like I will
need to fly from Chengdu to Hong Kong four times a year? This is going to get costly. Is there no
other way other than using my TESL certificate to teach english, to stay in China???










smalldog -

If your wife is Chinese you can apply for a 1 year L visa. You can apply for this at a Chinese
embassy/consulate or you can arrive on a normal L visa and get a 1 year extension in your wife's
place of residence. Normal L visas can usually only be extended a couple of times, but there is no
limit for the spouse of a Chinese.

Note that you are technically not allowed to work on an L visa -- to be legal you need to get a Z
visa through your employer.










quanxie -

Visa ofr US cititzens jave been a BIG hassle since the forming of the Homeland security gustopho...

In the US you can easily het a 60 day L tourist visa, then one extension in China for 30 days..
Also last time I checked, any visa issued in the US, no matter how long the visa is good form you
MUST exit the country and re-enter every 60 days.... I have never heard of the 1 year L visa so
maybe it will work... (make sure the duration of stay is 1 year also...

If that plan fails, then you can fly to HK and then purchase a 6 Month F business visa...Until
last month you could get a 1 year but, I heard that a 6 month F is all any countries citizen can
be issued now...










liuzhou -



Quote:

It looks like I will need to fly from Chengdu to Hong Kong four times a year?

Why?

As I said, you can renew the visa in China.










nitropuppy -

Well, I hope "smalldog" is correct. That sounds like an answer. I just hope the 1year "L" visa is
a valid thing. (not that I doubt you smalldog) It's just that I have not read of that anywhere.
The issue is this. We're not married yet. I plan to marry her in China. Also, I want to learn the
language (so I'll know when she's swearing at me) , and get to understand her culture. Putting all
the documents together and getting through the burearacracy to get officially married, will take
at least 60 days. Then I am assuming I can fly to Hong Kong and get the 1 year "L" visa as a
spouse. Sound about right?.......

And yes, I know I can't work on a "L" visa. I'm qualified to teach english but I need to put time
every week into my business. Which is in the "States". Perhaps, I might teach part time just to
contribute to my host society. But, I'm not ready to commit a large block of my time on a
contract. Not yet anyhow. Thanks for all your help. This forum has been very helpful on many
issues. When I'm a more informed veteran of China, perhaps I can return the favor to others.










liuzhou -



Quote:

so I'll know when she's swearing at me

You have a lot to learn! Chinese wives always have a few back-up dialects which you don't know!
They use these to swear at you and talk about you with their friends in front of you!



Good luck!










Pengyou -

I just called the Forever Bright Travel Agency in Hong Kong. They said that it is not possible to
issue a visa to a U.S. citizen to allow him/her to stay in China for 6 months at a time. Is this
true? Are there some loopholes? The first visas on my passport were student visas. I now have a
business license in the U.S. I got an invitation letter from a Chinese company to come here in
July - a 2 month F visa. I had it extended for 2 months - another F visa without leaving the
country - via another organization in China. My visa expires on 11/7

Any suggestions? Does anyone know of a reputable person standing on the corner wearing a trench
coat that can take care of this?

It is so frustrating because there is so much conflicting information.












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roddy -



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How more racist one can get?

Hang people from trees? Force their kids to go to different schools? Not allow them to vote?
There's a few thoughts.



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Quest -

I think it's just so much rarer to see a Cantonese speaking caucasian, and honestly I have never
seen/met/heard a caucasian who speaks Cantonese as well as Sharon Balcombe. I've seen/heard many
non-Chinese but fluent Cantonese speakers, but never one that could speak it flawlessly like Mrs.
Lau. even if they were born in HK. People complain that HK people dont talk to them in Cantonese,
but if they spoke Cantonese like Sharon Balcombe, I think it would be hard not to speak to them in
Cantonese. She sounds culturally, linguistically, totally Cantonese... my mind's still fighting
hard, trying to force an accent on her, but so far failing to find even the slightest hint of
foreigness in her accent.

Sorry, I missed the Indian mother and daughter, they are 100% too, just like Sharon, the daugther
slightly more so. The mother has a bit(0.1%) of country accent.










Ian_Lee -

What is so strange about Caucasian speaking Cantonese?

When I was a kid in 1950s, my neighbor was a family of Britons whose kid spoke perfect Cantonese
(including all the 4-letter words). Their parents could all speak Cantonese, though not as fluent
as their son. But in average, their Cantonese were all much better than my other two neighbors --
Shandongese and Shanghaiese.

Nowadays if you go to the market in Hong Kong, most Filipino/Indonesian maids bargain in Cantonese
with those vendors.










Quest -

Ian_Lee, does your Cantonese have accent? I vaguely remember you said it does? Bauer, who you said
had very good Cantonese, does not really... not orally at least. He's okay, but easily detectable
as foreign.










Ian_Lee -

Quest:

Without comparison, Robert Bauer speaks quite good Cantonese. But of course, he is below average
after you compare all the videos.

Actually I prefer the Harilela most. They spoke unambigously, precisely and clearly. Of course,
they spoke with an accent. But accent is not the point since we (you and I) also speak English
with an accent. The most important point is that you can convey your idea accurately. Just like
Kissinger speaks English, everybody can tell that is not his native tongue but he can convey his
idea to us.

For Balcombe, I am not curious on her accentless since she is just like my neighbor kid -- 100%
native.

In terms of fluency, of course it is the Aussie/New Zealand girl who excels.

Though my father is a Chaozhouese, I speak Cantonese with HK accent -- a lot of "lazy sound".
However, I tell my kid not to learn the horrible Zhongshan-accented Cantonese that her classmate
speaks.










Quest -

I think the Australian girl also was born and raised in HK, but her parents kept her home, she was
a homeschooler, that's why she doesn't really know how to read chinese, and she still has a tiny
bit of an accent.










wannabeafreak -

Quest, how do you rate 河國榮 compared to the above people?


Thanks.










Quest -



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Quest, how do you rate 河國榮 compared to the above people?

I'd like to change my rating for the Indians (the men), they are actually more fluent than Cecilie
and Bauer. So maybe 75 for the Indian men. I think 河國榮's fluency is like theirs but with a
different accent, so maybe 75-80. Do you have a video of him speaking for a lengthy period of
time, I've only seen him in tvb drama.

Best first:
Sharon Balcombe (native)
Indian Daughter (native)
Indian Mother (native but with slight Indian/乡下话 characteristics)
Aus Girl (near native, miss a tone or two occasionally, fluency slightly worse than the above 3,
she uses 系呀，系嘞 too much)
(some distance)
河國榮 (fluent, but accent is foreign)
Indian Richmen (fluent, accent has heavy 乡下话 characteristics)
(some small distance)
Bauer (relatively fluent, accent foreign)
Cecilie (relatively fluent, accent foreign)










wannabeafreak -

Here is 河國榮 Ho Kwok Wing.

I have cut out all the advertisements and music.

Here is the entire interview:

PART 1: http://cantonese.hk/hkw/hkw-01.mp3 (1.97mb)
PART 2: http://cantonese.hk/hkw/hkw-02.mp3 (648kb)
PART 3: http://cantonese.hk/hkw/hkw-03.mp3 (296kb)
PART 4: http://cantonese.hk/hkw/hkw-04.mp3 (874kb)
PART 5: http://cantonese.hk/hkw/hkw-05.mp3 (992kb)



Please let me know how good you reckon he is compared to the above people. In terms of accent,
fluency etc. He is my idol.

Thanks










carlo -

sorry Quest, I'm curious about the 乡下话 accent. Are you saying that these people sound like
native speakers but with a non-'standard', yet non-'foreign', accent? Is it like, I don't know,
the way Blacks in American movies speak compared to Bostonian WASPs? If so, shouldn't their accent
be considered as native as that of the others, albeit of a non-standard variety? (My Cantonese
wouldn't make it to 5 on that scale, so I have to ask.












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